I'm sorry if this was already covered.

One of the things that I really like about the character system as it stands now is that you can customize your character in detail. You're not bound by classical RPG classes... you can be a strong magic user but also be great with a sword and a bow (depending on base stats etc).

I saw in one of the threads a mention of different towns having certain aptitudes (water for a ship town, earth for mountain, etc). This along with classes may make characters limited to certain paths and I think that would detract from the ability to have customized dynamic characters. If you're willing to put the time in, you should be able to learn just about anything unless there is a true logical conflict between the two (someone mentioned a warrior joining a monastery and no longer being allowed to use weapons... fair enough). I'm not sure how the class system will be implemented, but I think that it should just give you a set of starting skills (i.e. up until the point of starting daimonin, your character has focused on developing these skills, etc, which works in game logic).

If you start to bring in elemental alignments etc, character development may become too linear. I think it should be more like real life... if I want to get a degree in physics and in economics, I could, it would just take more time. If I want to get a PhD in both, even more time. I could get a PhD in physics, then take up economics, or I could double major all the way through.

Races will probably create natural class aptitude (eg this race is just stronger and will always have an advantage as a warrior whereas this race is more intelligent etc). That should provide a natural direction without forcing it.

Furthermore, for practical implication, you could have guilds for the different character classes which give you missions to get access to skills, spells, prayers, etc. These could be located in different towns. If you come from a different town, perhaps you have to undertake a certain quest to "prove yourself" before you can begin the regular quests like the other town residents.


Again, sorry if these issues have already been addressed.


To the dev team: Thanks for all the work that you've put into this and for keeping it free. It is appreciated.

One of the things that I really like about the character system as it stands now is that you can customize your character in detail. You're not bound by classical RPG classes...

I agree completely with this. Like I've said before, we should keep Daimonin as a classless society.

I think this was addressed in the thread you mention, but the elemental alignment stuff, IMO, could work without making development linear as long as it doesn't exclude characters of one alignment from changing to another (opposing) alignment -- like fire to water. As you say there is a logical conflict so it should be bloody difficult and a long process, but not impossible. Also, I can't remember if elemental aptitudes was just a pie-in-the-sky suggestion or if it is an MT-endorsed future development.

you should be able to weild different classes of weapons...

The reason you can't is to prevvent all chars being clones of each other. You've got to strike a balance between restrictive linearity and challenge-free identicality. That said, I think something along the lines you mention may be on the cards for VHLPs.

Yes, well that's sacrificing reality for gameplay.

I suppose you might say a player could use a weapon from the other 3 weapon types, but really badly. On this point, it'd be nice if Daimonin knew of fumbles (and criticals).

Does that mean that mobs have a 1 in a 100 chance of taking you out with a single blow? mudhand killed Smacky. Smacky says "I just walked by the thing!" That would certainly make the game interesting.

This would be easier if there were differences in weapon classes. If cleave hit for a lot but hit slowly, whereas pierce hit rapidly for little. When those changes are implemented it might be easier to differentiate between the classes and decide how to use them.

I'm opposed to classes for the same reason Demiurge is. I think it makes the game too linear. Do what you want, don't be limited. In this case you are improving both gameplay and realism.

Well you make a good point in your first paragraph of either post, Bob.

Perhaps Smacky should be made invulnera... no, that's not it...

I'm keen on having both mobs and players fight by the same rules, so an instakill critical would have the unfortunate Smackydown effect you mention. But perhaps do double (or tripl) damage on a critical hit?

IMO, the game should not become completely linear, but perhaps a path through certain skills would be easier to follow, for example, whilst training to be a monk, you follow rules of the order, and not train other skills (perhaps losing exp as suggested in other posts) Once you have completed the course, you can go into another area and train that, but you could not be a monk, forsaking physical violence in order to become in touch with your inner self... and a warrior, hacking away at multiple mobs to save a town from destruction. perhaps you could simultaneously train to be a monk and a doctor, using you inner self to reach out an heal others (prayer=minor healing!)
Its all about compatability

PS, critcal hits=good, one hit mob death=bad

This would bring up a certain path that you would have to follow, for example common human > monk > druid > mercenary > warrior > mage, with little room for change (but i cant think of a solution )

Good idea, especially the skill tree, maybe an ingame diagram to help people to decide what to do next?